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This weekend I went to Chessiecon just north of Baltimore, following by a couple of weeks the 2017 edition of Philcon. Actually, I spent the whole weekend at Philcon, courtesy of R., who gave me a bit of a financial subsidy. I attended Chessiecon on Saturday only, so I would have to make the drive up to Timonium only once instead of two or three times.

Even though I enjoyed myself at both cons -- picked up some new books, vowed to read books by the Guests of Honor, saw longtime friends -- I have to say: OMG, the graying of fandom is really accelerating. Philcon is SO painfully small, a shadow of its former self. One morning when he was getting some breakfast in the con suite, he looked around and saw all the electric scooters and canes and walkers and heads full of gray hair and thought to himself, "Is this an old folks' home?"

Now, I don't mean this to be nasty to people who are, in fact, getting older and/or who have mobility issues -- I'd be pretty gray-haired myself if I didn't color my hair, and, who knows, maybe I will need assistance in getting around someday. But it's impossible to see the number of scooters and canes and walkers at Philcon and Chessiecon and NOT start asking how many more years it's going to be before these people simply cannot travel to science-fiction conventions any longer. And these "traditional" fan-run cons are simply not attracting the numbers of young people that I see as necessary to keep the cons going without either financial implosion (which may have already happened to Lunacon) or volunteer burnout.

This year I made sure to attend Philcon for two reasons. First, R. wanted to celebrate the 70th birthday of his friend Ira's wife, Becky. Second, it was the 30th anniversary of my first Philcon in 1987 -- which seemed like a huge convention full of endless parties and resulted in my hooking up with a very pleasant guy named Bruce. He no longer goes to conventions and who knows what he is doing these days, but we had a nice relationship and parted on good terms, so he is a special memory. ;-) ;-)

The 2017 edition of Philcon probably had less than half the attendance of the 1987 edition. Maybe a third. I didn't even go to any room parties at Philcon. Few were advertised, and the one time that R. and I showed up at one, the door was shut tight and no one was around. And no one else was hanging out on the "party floor," either.

Likewise, so many people I've seen at past Chessiecons were missing. Dame Brenna and M.B. (T.H.'s sister-in-law), two stalwart con-organizers of the Darkover era, no longer attend. Baron Rorik and Baroness Janina and their grown daughter did not attend. Another couple who used to be active in the SCA weren't there for financial reasons (I won't mention their names). Spam and Fizzgig weren't there (Fizzgig probably had to work at her retail job). CZ and Phoenix weren't there because of the latter's birthday celebration. Tabitha and her family moved to the West Coast a few years back. Obviously Pedro is deceased and Devora moved away. And on and on.

Will either of these cons be around in five years????

Date: 2017-11-27 10:23 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] twistedchick
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Several of us -- myself included -- weren't there because of current health issues. But I want to mention that Chessiecon is in its third generation of people running it, and attending it. Yes, the grandchildren of the original attenders do come. And the population at Darkover/Chessiecon varies with the year, the current level of flu virus, and the amount of money people have also. Some years are harder than others.

ETA: I have been attending Darkover/ChessieCon for more than 26 years, barring illnesses. It has always had people with gray hair and walkers and so on -- including authors and guests of honor and the con chair -- because the con staff work hard to make it accessible. As long as I've been there it has done the work that other cons that I could name have not done -- including some Worldcons I could name.

I do find it distressing that you are making such a thorough census of attendees' ages and physical abilities. Ageist, in fact.

Also -- if you want to take a hand in making sure it's around? Get involved. Figure out what you can do to help, send a note to someone on the con staff, and do it.
Edited Date: 2017-11-27 11:47 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-11-28 12:00 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] eftychia
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I saw a fair number of kids and young adults there. I noticed a lot of older people because I was looking for my friends and noticing how old people my age are getting (some rather more slowly than others but an extra three decades still shows a little), but I saw enough younger folks running around to feel like I was seeing some of Chessiecon's future.

Date: 2017-11-28 04:07 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] anita_margarita
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When we went to see Stephen Stills & Judy Collins in September, it occurred to me that we were among the younger audience members (Gary is 64 and I am 61). It's an odd place to be in.

Aging Fandom

Date: 2017-11-29 01:31 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] ursulas_alcove
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We noticed it too in Chicago at WorldCon. Apparently scooters needed to be reserved in advance. It's even harder when your income depends on these types of conventions being around.

Date: 2017-12-01 09:45 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] fauxklore
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I am under the impression that there are just so many cons that people have to choose what is the most value for their money. Admittedly, I am an outsider to the whole thing, but it's what I've seen in other arenas and my friends who are into fandom seem a bit overwhelmed by how many cons there are.

Date: 2017-12-02 07:19 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] gorgeousgary
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Between the two, I have a little more faith in Chessiecon.

I agree Philcon is a shell of what it once was. PSFS managed to shoot itself in the foot twice, first by moving for a few years to mid-December (thus losing fans who travel to family over Christmas), then by moving to Cherry Hill (which is harder to get to if one is relying on train or bus than the Adams Mark or the downtown Marriott were). And a lot of their program feels like it's the same from year to year.

OTOH, Chessiecon feels to me about the same size as Darkover always was, or at least was over the latter years of its run. (It was larger when the MZB crowd was still attending, I think.) So, accounting for year-to-year variations based on who has money or health issues, I feel like it is stable in membership. It's also clearly evolving - for one thing, continuing some of the steampunk-themed programming that started late in Darkover, for another the music program has opened up to include filk and other fannish music. Both of those have brought some new blood and attendees in. One can also argue Chessiecon is staking out a position as a Mid-Atlantic version of WisCon, which is also a good thing and will hopefully pay some dividends down the road.

So even if the people attending Chessiecon are changing, I feel like it will still be around for a while.

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